June 22, 2009

The Greatest of All Time Continued....RB

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Continuing on with the greatest Bama runners of all time, and the deepest position on the list is up. Since it is so deep, the list will be weeded down and I'm sure some will bark about the ones left off, but it is Quality over Quantity for me. The criteria is the same as the QBs, winning over stats. This will help cull out the likes of Shaud Williams, Murray Hill, and others. Again this list will be from the start of Coach Bryant's era to present day. Yes, if I chose to go back in time further, Bobby Marlow would be there. We have to keep it in fair parameters though.


The thing to remember also is that while there are a lot of good/great backs from the 60s and 70s, the QBs tend to be right there with the backs in rushing and touchdowns.


The List

Mike Fracchia- The first fullback on the list. He was a nice short option for Pat Trammell to use. As he matured as a player, his game improved to the point he was a 5 yard per carry fullback. He was a leader on Coach Bryant's first championship with Bama. He definately is worthy of mention at fullback.


Johnny Musso- If you start at the beginning, Musso is the first top end running back that Coach Bryant really had, and maybe even the first in school history. Pat Trammell, mentioned in the QB discussion, had been his work horse before Musso, but Musso was the real workhorse for the Bama 70s. His play in the early 70s set the tone for the domination that the Tide had during the decade. Musso if anything was just a smash mouth, pound it 4 quarters kinda guy. He was the 1st 1000 yard rusher in school history and is 4th on the all time rushing list, but anybody who watches him though will tell you he's in the top 3 easily. The way he runs and uses his legs to drive and keep tacklers off his hips is something that many players don't do today. If your son is a power runner, have him watch Musso. He's the textbook for power running.


Steve Bisceglia- Steve is forgotten in the lore of the running backs, but he was a heck of a runner in his own right, but he was overshadowed by Musso for most of his career and sharing ground with Wilber Jackson after Musso. He was a physical fullback that was a short yardage specialist in the 70s, but his short yardage was more like 4 yards, not 2. He and Musso made for a long day most Saturdays because they were abusive in their running styles. I'm not a big stat hound, but one stat that I love to see is the number of carries and how many yards lost for the year. In 1972, he had 125 carries (team high) and only lost 2 yards all year. That's the sign of a guy who always falls forward.


Wilbur Jackson - Speaking of guys who always go forward, meet Mr. Jackson. He was an understudy to Musso, but when his career was over, he was a man amongst boys in his own right. When he was finished, he had an average carry of 7.2 (still a school record), his game vs. UT in 73 is still a classic that he finished with over 160 yards rushing (80 on 1 TD) and helped lead the team to a dominating 524 total yards. He only was the feature back 1 year, 1973, but it was


Calvin Culliver- The first hybrid of the group. Culliver was part fullback part halfback in reality. He was as dangerous 5-6 yards back as he was 2-3 yards back. He was the leading rusher for the 74 SEC champion Tide and leading scorer that year. He averaged a nice 5.4 per carry for his career and holds the 4th longest TD run in Bama history (87 yards).


Randy Billingsley- Billingsley won't be up on the stat hound hall of fame, but stats are for fantasy football and people who live with their mothers. Football players have moments, and Billingsley is one of those guys that when you watch any classic Bama game, he stands out on the field.


Johnny Davis- Meet the most prolific "fullback" in Alabama History. He still ranks in the top 10 in rushing, and is a fixture on the rushing stat sheets over time. The mid 70s are all about Johnny Davis, 7 100 yard games, 2500 career yards, 19 TDs and most of all 3 SEC titles (damn Nebraska).


Tony Nathan- Nathan is one of those guys that when he got hot, he didn't stop and couldn't be stopped. He was the type of player that in the wishbone could only get 7-10 touches and have 150+ yards from it. Nathan's career is only overshadowed in the decade by Musso, not bad company to keep is it? He is 4th all time in touchdowns, finished his career with 1997 yards, and 3 SEC titles and 1 National Title to show for his efforts.


Major Ogilvie- The tandem of Ogilvie and Nathan is probably the greatest in school history. His stats are not legendary, but he was a heck of a steady ball player and a great leader (with many others) to the 3 SEC and 2 National Titles he has on his resume.


Ricky Moore- Oh what could have been if not for injuries and declining talent around him. Moore makes the list on 2 merits, he's the last RB at this point in time to have an SEC title and be in the top 10 for rushing.


Kerry Goode- Goode is probably the fastest and most talented player I've ever seen, but he stayed injured it seemed like and never had that flash/burst after his knee injury. My memory is a little more foggy about these years, and I may have the wrong team, but he had a career start in the Boston College game only to go down with a knee injury. He did it all that night, and I remember as a little kid just crying my eyes out when they lost that night, but he had a rushing, receiving and kick return for a score.


Bobby Humphrey- The best all round runner I have ever seen. He ran through people, past people, over people, whatever he wanted to do, he did it. I always will wonder what if he stayed clean and played all 4 years. As is, he's the 2nd leading rusher in school history, tied for 5th in TDs scored, and was just a dominator when he caught fire. Much like Nathan before him and Alexander after him, if he got in a zone, you didn't stop him you just tried to keep up with him. His one man beatdown on Penn State is one that I'll never ever forget. Hell, he was so good, he was the school's all time kick returner for a while. You don't see that much these days.

Kevin Turner- Turner is probably the most versatile back on the list as he could block, run, and catch as good as anyone on the team. The memory of Turner I have is him just bulldozing through LSU defenders and icing the game with one of those rumbling, bumbling, stumbling plays down to the 3 (I think). His career numbers show how versatile he was, he still is in the top 10 receivers list (catches), and has the most receiving yards for a back in school history.

Siran Stacy- There is something about Tennessee in the 80s that had running backs go ape about. Stacy's coming out party was the UT game in 1989. He had a big game in the Memphis State game, but they were a doormat. After Murray Hill's injury, there was no turning back. He rattled off 100 yard performances, and a 200 yarder against LSU, through the Auburn game where it was Curryfied again. Stacy finished his career with a bevy of individual and season stat marks, and a co-SEC title in 89-90.

Martin Houston- If there was ever a bulldozing lead blocker, he was it. That guy would just kill linebackers in the gap. Lassic, Anderson, Williams and others owe a lot to this guy because he was a premier run blocker.

Sherman Williams- Sherman brought his shake and a whole lot of cutting moves on the field. His numbers aren't going to just jump out because he shared the field with Chris Anderson and Derrick Lassic, but he was a deceptively strong runner in spite of most who percieved him as a scat back. You don't run for 130 yards on Arkansas and not be tough in any era. He also is probably the best receiving tailback on this list (note the terminology). He was one play from being one of the few backs on here with 2 national titles.


Shaun Alexander- As Musso was the power and Humphrey was power and finesse, Alexander was the best finesse back that Alabama has ever had. Some will balk and say he was a stronger runner than I give him credit for, but honestly, how many big runs up the middle do you remember? Or of him plowing through tacklers? Now compare those to Humphrey or Musso. Alexander is the "zone" guy, if he started to get into the game, he usually took it over. His breakout game against LSU is still the best single game rushing performance, and probably will be for a long time. He is the all time leading rusher, and 2nd on the TD list (1st for RBs, and holds the single season mark). He has one SEC title and 2 wins over Florida, but doesn't have a win over Tennessee.

Kenneth Darby- I'm somewhat aprehensive about adding Darby to the list, but his stats put him on here. He has wins over UT and Florida, but none against LSU or Auburn. He is all over the stat book because they ran him to death, but my memory of him will be him shuffling around indecisively instead of taking the yardage he could get.

Tim Castille/LeRon McClain- Might as well keep lumping them together. Both were underutilized at Alabama due to an unimaginative coach, but both were very good fullbacks that really should have been used more like Caddy Williams and Ronnie Brown were because they were both better runners than Darby, in my opinion.

Who on the current roster could join the club?
I thought about this after the QB discussion, but Ingram has the potential to do big things if he can continue to grow as a player. Trent Richardson definately has the potential and as I have mentioned on here before, that IT factor that the great ones have. It will be interesting to see how they are reflected on down the line.
The List
  1. Bobby Humphrey
  2. Shaun Alexander
  3. Johnny Musso
  4. Johnny Davis
  5. Tony Nathan
  6. Wilber Jackson
  7. Major Ogilvie
  8. Kevin Turner
  9. Martin Houston/Steve Bisceglia
  10. Ken Darby

June 16, 2009

Random Thoughts- Greatest of All Time

There is a nice thread going on Bama Online about greatest of all time (http://alabama.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=427&tid=129112232&mid=129112232&sid=885&style=2)





It got me to thinking about the subject relative to Alabama football and it really is too deep and too varied over time to do in one lump sum group. So, for the next few days/weeks, I figured I'd cover the "Top 10", if applicable, and weigh in position by position. Then after submission, you can vote as well and I'll keep a running total for prosperity.





So with that, here's the criteria that I go by to rank and weigh the group:




  1. Championships- Did they win one, or more, in their stay? Was it just an SEC or National Title?


  2. Did they beat the rivals? If they didn't beat AU, UT, and LSU at least once, they really haven't got a leg to stand on.


  3. Statistics* The funny thing about this is that most will list older QBs that fall lower on the stat poll, will rank higher in most minds, but also keep in mind that guys in the 60s didn't get to play varsity until their soph. year if they were lucky.


  4. Win Loss Percentage- What good is throwing for 3000 yards when you win less than 60%?


The List



The candidates are, in chronological order since 1958-1959: (Excluding starters that weren't worth mentioning like Pennington, Guillon and Avalos types)



Pat Trammell- If there ever was a guy that was just pure guts and team all the way around, it was Trammell. His stat lines compared to those down the line are not going to hold up, but he was asked to run more than throw, and in 1961 he eclipsed 1000 yards passing and 279 yards rushing (3rd best on team). He was the QB for Coach Bryant's 1st national title with Alabama, and held a special spot with him. In his career, he was an All-SEC back, QB of the year 1961, 5th on the Heisman ballot, and was the winningest QB in Bama history until Jay Barker. He still holds the school record for fewest interception percentages in a season and career. Pat Trammell died at age 28 from cancer. His impact lived on decades later as Coach Bryant reflected on Pat after his 300th win by saying "Pat Trammell was the favorite person in my entire life."


Joe Willie Namath- If there was anyone unafraid of Trammell's shadow, it was the QB best know as "Joe Willie". He took the reigns in 1962 and did about everything imaginable at the time. He threw for 13 TDs and ran for 4 more. He scored more than his opponents in 1962. That comment probably applied off the field as well, and went a long way towards Coach Bryant's frustration with him at times. As the game has progressed into a more pass happy environment, Namath's stats have fallen down the ranks. He finished his career only losing 3 games and owned most records at UA when he finished. He left the U with a national title and SEC title in 1964. He was elected to the All Century team in 2000.


Steve Sloan- Steve stops in for a cup of coffee in 1965 and does nothing but throw 10 touchdowns, 1400 yards, wins an AP national title. He completed almost 61% of his passes in 65 and had a career 60% completion rate.


Kenny "The Snake" Stabler- Snake was no drop off from the previous 3 by any means. He was gritty, tough, and a heck of a passer. He came into the fold with big shoes to fill and rattled off an 11-0 SEC championship year. The times I have listened to him talk about that year, he still feels robbed of a NC from it. '67 was a slight drop off after Perkins and some other vets were gone. His 1966 performance vs. Ole Miss is still the best for its level. He completed almost 85% of his passes for the game, 10 in a row, and finished his career with a near 60% completion rate. He does hold the record for most INTs in a game with 5 vs. UT in 1967. Even the best have a bad day.


Scott Hunter- You can't pick up a gameday program and flip through the "Most" section without seeing Scott's name for his effort in 1969 vs. Auburn. Hunter was the benchmark of statistical importance until the 1990s and still is 5th all time. (If memory serves, Wilson jumped over him) Scott is the first on the list to not have a National Title on his resume. His legend also comes from his epic showdown with Archie Manning in 1969 where he hit Ranager for the winning touchdown late in the game and went 22-29 300 2 TD (1 rush, 1 pass).


Gary Rutledge- Rutledge started the 1973 year and introduced himself to the world with a 85 yard pass to Joe Dale Harris for a touchdown. He lead the 73 team to the best yards per game and points in school history (480 per). That team, under his lead, rumbled to a perfect regular season, but lost to Notre Dame by 1 and split the national title that year.


Richard Todd- Todd got his turn in 1974, and ran the tables only to find Notre Dame in the way. Todd wasn't a gunslinger while at Alabama, he did get a chance to show that off more in the pros, but he was highly efficient and a winner. He finished his career with 14 TDs and 7 Ints, and 2 SEC championships and a Sugar Bowl win over PSU.


Jeff Rutledge- Unlike his brother, Gary, Jeff did get more chances to win, and did. Jeff's high water mark is his win percentage (87%) and 30TD over 3 years at the helm. He ranked 10th before last year in total yards and passing yards, 4th in total touchdowns (1 ahead of Namath), and is 4th all time in touchdowns thrown. He also left with a bevy of SEC titles and 1 National Title.


Steadman Shealy- Steadman's only crime against Bama history is that he had to wait out his turn for Rutledge. He played from 77-79 (1980 bowl game) and was a bruising runner that Coach Bryant seemed to love to utilize in the wishbone. To be fair, he'd almost be worthy of mention at running back due to his rushing capacities. His passing abilities were not bad. He was accurate and did all you were supposed to in the wishbone, but his stats won't measure to the pack as a passer.


Walter Lewis- Lewis was a member of the 1981 SEC championship, and was a heck of an athlete. His high mark came against PSU in 1983 when he threw for 336 yards and 3 TDs (the "we got robbed" game). For his career, he is 3rd in total offense, 3rd in touchdowns, 6th in yards, and 5th in completion percentage. He also was Coach Bryant's last QB and Perkins' first QB.


Mike Shula- Shula the player was undersized, and overanalyzed due to his last name, but he was a gutsy QB that could win in the clutch. His career started out too early to be honest and the 5-6 tough luck season, but rebounded well to lead Bama to wins over UGA in the final seconds and march the Tide to a winning FG against Auburn. Despite the rough start, he still is one of Bama's winningest QBs with 22 wins and a 72 % winning percentage. He is one of the few up to this point without a SEC or National Title. However, he never beat UT as a player


Gary Hollingsworth- He was the QB that almost never got the shot. Jeff Dunn was the guy that was supposed to carry the load, but he got injured and Gary never let go once he took over. His start and marriage with the teachings of Homer Smith set all sorts of top 10 marks, but after Curry left, Stallings offensive mindset did not result in such fruits. He did beat all 3 rivals that year, and qualified for the discussion due to that.


Jay Barker- He was not supposed to be the starter either, and really wasn't supposed to be there. Curry never offered Jay, and that's why Curry sucks as a coach and evaluator of winners and talent. Stallings took him on and that was probably the best thing he could have done. Danny Woodson was the highly touted starter, but never really got going and was kicked off the team mid-way in the 1991 year. Barker started his first game mid way through the year, and the rest is history. Many will bark because he didn't have eye popping stats until his senior year, when lo and behold Homer Smith returned, but when you go back to 92 and on, he did have a lot of very good games. The Arkansas (where Clinton watched) and Ole Miss (where he couldn't miss all day). He left the university as the winningest QB in school history, 4th in total yards, 3rd in completions and yards(amazing how that happens when you'd think he never threw a pass pre 1994), he holds 3 of the top 10 passing games in school history. He never lost to Auburn, UT, or LSU.


Freddie Kitchens- Freddie's where the list starts to dwindle as far as the criteria are concerned. He didn't win a title, didn't beat UT as the starter, but did beat LSU and Auburn and did lead the team to a West title. His arguement in the conversation is more about his stats and just toughness. Freddie got lit up like a Christmas tree his whole career because the OL sucked that whole period. On a side note, for Fuller to be such a good coach at Jax State, he sure did suck lemons at Alabama. Freddie finished his career 5th in yards, 4th in TDs (30), completed 135 passes without an INT, and still holds the longest pass for a TD in school history.


Andrew Zow- As Kitchens indicates the trickle down, Zow kinda reflects the up and down joy ride the program and Quarterback play that has occured in the last decade or so. Zow has an SEC Title to claim, he has stats galore, but he also has a lot of controversy from fans perspective and a spotty win loss record. Zow flourished under Charlie Stubbs' shotgun offense, and it didn't hurt that he had 2 all americans beside him and 2 exceptional athletes at WR. His statistical marks are all on the top end of the scale- 2nd in yards, completions, attempts, and touchdowns. He also is tied for most interceptions in a career with Hunter and completed around 53% of his passes. He owns wins over AU, UF, LSU, but also owns losses to La Tech, never beat UT or came that close, a nasty one to Va Tech, co-owns another bad one to UCLA and USM (I still can't stand to relive the Arvin Richards pass), has the UCF loss on his belt as well.


Tyler Watts- He's forever tied to the hip with Zow and was about 3 or 4 years before his time. If he were playing now, he's Tim Tebow. I get all sorts of hell for saying this, but I always preferred him over Zow because of the little things he would do and the gritty play he had. Watts was the first quarterback since Walter Lewis to finish his career with over 1000 yards rushing and 3000 passing. He's in the top 10 for completions, yards, and is the record holder for career completion percentage. He has the SEC title with Zow, he has wins over AU, LSU, UT, and UF, but his career was injury filled and he constantly looked behind him for Zow and Croyle.


Brodie Croyle- To put it bluntly, there isn't a stat sheet mark he doesn't own. His win loss numbers aren't as impressive, but there is a lot of probation and bad coaching in the mix. He owns wins over UT, UF, has a bowl win (something that got really rare after Barker) , but never beat Auburn and did not have a winning record until his senior year.


John Parker Wilson- Do we really need to discuss, I mean that was just yesterday.



Who is Top 10?




  1. Kenny Stabler


  2. Joe Willie Namath


  3. Jay Barker


  4. Pat Trammell


  5. Jeff Rutledge


  6. Scott Hunter


  7. Gary Hollingsworth


  8. Steve Sloan


  9. Steadman Shealy


  10. Brodie Croyle

In the end it is about championships at Alabama, not stats or warm fuzzy stories. Most of the names on the list have that, most of them are folk legends for winning and the plays made in route to those wins. I could be argued out of a few spots, but after the top 5 it gets into a the best and the rest scenario for the most part.